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David Robertson on Conducting, Pierre Boulez, and Musical Interpretation (Ep.248)

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In the 2024-25 season, David Robertson performs works by Pierre Boulez with the Juilliard Orchestra, New York Philharmonic, at the Aspen Music Festival and School, and Lucerne Festival, in celebration of Boulez 100.  He wrote this essay in conjunction with the Aspen performances.

 

As Music Director of the Ensemble Intercontemporain (EIC) in Paris from 1991 until 2000 I often had the rare privilege to sit next to Pierre Boulez, the founder and President of the group, on the airplane when the EIC was on tour. I’ve always admired how Boulez maintained such varied occupations, juggling simultaneously the roles of composer, conductor, educator, writer, and administrator.  One time I gave into curiosity and asked how he defined himself with all these different activities. “Pierre, what do you put down on the arrival card under Profession?” He replied quite simply: “I just put down Musician…”

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JANUARY 25, 2025: the New York Philharmonic marks the centennial of former Music Director Pierre Boulez by remounting one of his legendary ‘Rug Concerts’. Originally performed in 1974, the concert explores connections among works by composers ranging from J.S. Bach and Schubert to Boulez himself.  Part of the NY Phil’s Sounds On.

PIERRE BOULEZ
The Magus, by Alex Ross, The New Yorker
January 18, 2016

Musings

Whorl, n. – Each of the turns, coils, or convolutions in any spiral structure and

Eddy, n. – A circular motion in water, or air, contrary to the current.

As someone who spent a decade attempting to tame the tricky winds that flow from mouthpiece to bell, I have a deep love of the horn and enormous admiration for those who can master its treacherous physics.  The thoughts swirling in my head as I wrote for Andrew Bain were largely connected to the beauty of his sound and the purity of his tone in all registers.

Whorls and Eddies
By David Robertson
Commissioned by LA Phil, with generous support from the Lenore S. and Bernard A. Greenberg Fund

World Premiere by LA Phil New Music Group / Green Umbrella
LA Phil Etudes: Book 1
Conducted by John Adams
April 16, 2024
Walt Disney Concert Hall

News & Applause

“It’s always a good sign when an orchestra’s players light up with smiles at a conductor. And on Thursday night at David Geffen Hall, that happened over and over, with grins passing between the musicians of the New York Philharmonic and its podium guest, David Robertson, throughout a beguiling, smart program.”

Anastasia Tsioulcas, The New York Times – Critic’s Pick
On David Robertson and the New York Philharmonic
October 20, 2023

Musings

Le temps et l’écume was premiered on December 11, 1989, at the Maison de Radio France by the Nouvel Orchestre Philharmonique de Radio France, conducted by the American David Robertson. It was Robertson’s first in-depth engagement with spectral music. “I remember thinking, OK, this is complex stuff, let me go to the piano and play it,” he said. “There were thirteen notes in the first chord that starts the piece off, and I could only play three of them on an equally tempered piano. That left me feeling quite daunted.” Robertson had to accept that he would not be able to hear the music in his head before he gave the first downbeat. But he rehearsed with Grisey, whom he found “very calm, but very exacting,” and the premiere was a success. The concert was long and had too many new works, Robertson recalled, but the audience could tell that Le temps et l’écume “was a serious piece in the repertoire.”

Delirium and Form: The Life and Music of Gérard Grisey
By Jeffrey Arlo Brown

Boydell & Brewer, University of Rochester Press
August 8, 2023
318 Pages

Available from Boydell & Brewer, and other booksellers

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Three-Year Tenure Begins in 2023-24 Season

Salt Lake City, December 7, 2022— David Robertson—a distinguished and renowned American conductor, composer, thinker, artist, and visionary—will join Utah Symphony | Utah Opera’s artistic leadership team in the newly-created role of Creative Partner for a three-year tenure beginning in the 2023-24 season. The symphony’s international search for its next Music Director is ongoing and Robertson looks forward to a close collaboration with that position… [read the full announcement]

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A GLIMPSE OF THE BUTTERFLY

“The great joy is when you feel you’ve found the right key that unlocks things only that orchestra can do… Who knows what will come? That’s the nature of living with the unknown in front of us, as Boulez liked to say.”

 

An interview with composer and conductor David Robertson

VAN MAGAZINE
By Jeffrey Arlo Brown
November 10, 2022

Recordings

Musings

  1. “…la musique incertaine de leur voix…”
  2. Anfore del cuore
  3. Rounding to Joy

Written for and dedicated to Orli Shaham. Commissioned by the Orlando Philharmonic Orchestra, Eric Jacobsen, Music Director, 2022.

World premiere performances, October 15 – 16, 2022
Orlando Philharmonic Orchestra
Eric Jacobsen, conductor
Orli Shaham, piano
Dr. Phillips Center – Steinmetz Hall
Orlando, FL

Upcoming

October 16-18, 2026

Houston, TX

Houston Symphony

Jones Hall

Jiji, guitar

  • Stravinsky

  • Symphony of Wind Instruments (1947)

  • Steven Mackey

  • Aluminum Flowers for Electric and Acoustic Guitar and Orchestra

  • Mozart

  • Symphony No. 41 “Jupiter”

October 23-25, 2026

Milwaukee, WI

Milwaukee Symphony Orchestra

Bradley Symphony Center

Milwaukee Symphony Chorus
Cheryl Frazes Hill, chorus director

  • Chopin, orch. Stravinsky

  • Grand valse brillante, Nocturne in A-flat major

  • Debussy

  • Jeux

  • Ravel

  • Daphnis et Chloe

November 19-21, 2026

São Paulo, Brazil

OSESP São Paulo State Symphony Orchestra

Sala São Paulo

Orli Shaham, piano

  • Bellini

  • Sinfonia (Overture) to Il Pirata

  • Chopin

  • Piano Concerto No. 2

  • John Adams

  • Naïve and Sentimental Music

December 8, 2026

New York

New York Philharmonic

David Geffen Hall

Sound On: Steve Reich at 90

Synergy Vocals

  • Steve Reich

  • Clapping Music, Double Sextet, Tehillim

December 8, 2026

New York

Juilliard Orchestra, Juilliard Jazz Orchestra

David Geffen Hall

  • Boulez

  • Dérive 3

  • Bartók

  • Violin Concerto No. 2

  • Wynton Marsalis

  • Symphony No. 4, The Jungle

About

Conductor David Robertson

David Robertson – conductor, composer, artist, thinker, and American musical visionary – occupies some of the most prominent platforms on the international music scene.  A highly sought-after podium figure in the worlds of opera, orchestral music, and new music, Robertson is celebrated worldwide as a champion of contemporary composers, an ingenious and adventurous programmer, and a masterful communicator whose passionate advocacy for the art form is widely recognized.  A consummate and deeply collaborative musician, Robertson is hailed for his intensely committed music making.

In the 2026-27 season, David Robertson expands his vision of inspiring the greatest orchestras and next generation of musical artists around the world.  He conducts on four continents and continues his pedagogical engagement with the most promising young musicians.  He deepens orchestral friendships, including concerts with the New York Philharmonic, Leipzig Gewandhausorchester, and the Czech Philharmonic.  Robertson makes two visits to Canada this season to conduct the Toronto Symphony Orchestra and the National Arts Centre Orchestra, Ottawa, and returns to the São Paulo State Symphony Orchestra (OSESP), where he begins a musical celebration of the music of John Adams for the composer’s 80th birthday.  An extended period in Asia in summer 2027, includes his second annual visit to the Pacific Music Festival in Sapporo, Japan, founded by Leonard Bernstein, and concerts with the Singapore Symphony Orchestra and Seoul Philharmonic Orchestra.

David Robertson returns to the New York Philharmonic on December 8, 2026, to celebrate Steve Reich at 90, conducting Clapping Music, Tehillim with Synergy Vocals, and other works, as part of the Orchestra’s Sound On series.  Robertson reunites with the Czech Philharmonic and pianist Kirill Gerstein to perform the Czech premiere of In Seven Days by Thomas Adès, and Harmonielehre by John Adams (January 6-8).  In Leipzig, Robertson conducts the world premiere of Steffen Schleiermacher’s Zerronnenes Licht für Orchester, and violinist Benjamin Beilman performs Prokofiev’s Violin Concerto No. 1 (February 4-5).  Robertson also conducts Harmonielehre in Toronto, and the Sibelius Violin Concerto with Ray Chen (February 18-20).  Pianist Orli Shaham joins David Robertson in São Paulo to perform Chopin’s Piano Concerto No. 2 in concerts featuring Naïve and Sentimental Music by John Adams.  Spring performances culminate with his Dresden Philharmonic debut in an all-Janáček program (May 20-21) both in Dresden and at the Janáček Festival in Ostrava.  Robertson adds to his celebration of the music of Steve Reich with performances of The Desert Music in his Tonkünstler-orchester debut at Grafenegg in Austria in August.

Robertson’s interest in the process of artistic partnership evolves with a two-year commitment to the Milwaukee Symphony Orchestra featuring three weeks of concerts each season.  In addition to all-French and all-Strauss programs, Robertson leads a Guitar Festival (January 22-23), delving deeper into his fascination with the instrument with his own compositions and works by Joe Gore, Steven Mackey, Danielle Gottardo, Rodrigo, Zappa, and James Moore.  The festival in Milwaukee compliments concerts with the Houston Symphony, featuring Steven Mackey’s Aluminum Flowers for Electric and Acoustic Guitar and Orchestra, with renowned South Korean Guitarist Jiji (October 16-18).

In summer 2027, David Robertson continues his longstanding relationship with the orchestras, ensembles and festivals of Asia.  He returns to the Pacific Music Festival in Sapporo, Japan, for the second consecutive year (July 15-19) to further pursue his work with young musical artists as the Festival’s conducting fellowship program is renewed and reinvigorated.  Robertson conducts the Singapore Symphony at the Esplanade Concert Hall (July 30), performing Bernstein’s Symphony No. 2, “The Age of Anxiety,” with Orli Shaham, and Stravinsky’s The Firebird (Complete), in addition to the world premiere of a new work by Cheng Jin Koh.  His tour of Asia culminates with the Seoul Philharmonic, the week of August 2, with violist Tabea Zimmermann performing Dieter Ammann’s “No Templates,” and Beethoven’s Symphony No. 5.

2026-27 is David Robertson’s ninth academic year as Director of Conducting Studies, Distinguished Visiting Faculty of The Juilliard School in New York, and he continues his role as a member of the Tianjin Juilliard Advisory Council, an international body guiding Juilliard’s Chinese campus.  With the Juilliard Orchestra, he conducts the North American premiere of Boulez’s Dérive 3, Bartók and Wynton Marsalis’s Symphony No. 4 “The Jungle” at David Geffen Hall at Lincoln Center on December 14; and Ives, Symphony No. 4, with Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony, at Carnegie Hall on April 20, 2027.

Robertson appears with many major ensembles and festivals on five continents, including: the New York Philharmonic, The Philadelphia Orchestra, Los Angeles Philharmonic, Boston Symphony Orchestra, Chicago Symphony Orchestra, The Cleveland Orchestra, San Francisco Symphony, Dallas Symphony Orchestra, Houston Symphony, St. Louis Symphony Orchestra, Utah Symphony, Toronto Symphony Orchestra, Orchestre symphonique de Montréal, Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Czech Philharmonic, Berliner Philharmoniker, Leipzig Gewandhausorchester, Wiener Philharmoniker, Wiener Symphoniker, NDR Elbphilharmonieorchester, Deutsches Symphonie-Orchester Berlin, the Symphonieorchester des Bayerischen Rundfunk, Staatskapelle Dresden, São Paulo State Symphony Orchestra, Sydney Symphony Orchestra, Seoul Philharmonic Orchestra, the China NCPA Orchestra; and at the Lucerne Festival, Berlin Festival, the Edinburgh Festival, the BBC Proms, Musica Viva Festival in Munich, the Aspen Music Festival and School, Music Academy of the West, Pacific Music Festival, Tongyeong International Music Festival, and Taiwan’s Kaohsiung Festival, among others.

David Robertson completed his transformative 13-year tenure as Music Director of the St. Louis Symphony Orchestra in 2018, where he solidified the orchestra’s status as one of the nation’s most enduring and innovative, and reinvigorated its American and European presence through regular touring programs.  For the SLSO, he created dynamic relationships with a wide spectrum of artists, and garnered a 2014 Grammy Award, Best Orchestral Performance, for the Nonesuch release of John Adams’ City Noir.  Among many other recordings, the historic Robertson-SLSO association, included the 2019 Blue Engine Records release of Wynton Marsalis’ Swing Symphony, with the Jazz at Lincoln Center Orchestra.  2019 was David Robertson’s valedictory season as Chief Conductor and Artistic Director of the Sydney Symphony Orchestra, the culmination of a six-year tenure leading the top orchestra of the Southern Hemisphere.

Building upon his prolific association with The Metropolitan Opera, Robertson conducted the encore performances in Fall 2021 of James Robinson’s lauded 2019 production of The Gershwins’ Porgy and Bess, which featured the returns of Eric Owens and Angel Blue in the lead roles.  Robertson’s musical leadership of the 2019-20 season Porgy and Bess production premiere was honored at the 63rd Grammy Awards, in March 2021, as Best Opera Recording.  Preceding this rich success, Robertson’s deep relationship with the Met Opera includes the premiere of Phelim McDermott’s celebrated 2018 production of Così fan tutte, set in 1950s Coney Island, and, since his Met debut in 1996 with The Makropulos Case, he has conducted a breathtaking range of Met projects, including the 2014 Met premiere of John Adams’ The Death of Klinghoffer; the 2016 revival of Janáček’s Jenůfa, then its first Met performances in nearly a decade; the premiere production of Nico Muhly’s Two Boys (2013); and many favorites, from Mozart’s Le Nozze di Figaro to Britten’s Billy Budd.  Robertson conducts projects at the world’s most prestigious opera houses, including La Scala, Théâtre du Châtelet, Bayerische Staatsoper (orchestra), the San Francisco Opera, and the Santa Fe Opera.  In January 2022, David Robertson made his debut with the Rome Opera conducting Janáček’s Káťa Kabanová to great critical acclaim.

In addition to Sydney and St. Louis, Robertson has served in artistic leadership positions at musical institutions including the Orchestre National de Lyon, and, as a protégé of Pierre Boulez, the Ensemble Intercontemporain, which he led on an extensive North American tour.  At the BBC Symphony Orchestra, he served as Principal Guest Conductor.  Robertson has served as a Perspectives Artist at Carnegie Hall, where he has conducted, among others, The Met Orchestra, Lucerne Festival Orchestra, St. Louis Symphony Orchestra, and The Juilliard Orchestra.

Robertson is the recipient of numerous musical and artistic awards, and in 2010 was made a Chevalier de l’Ordre des Arts et des Lettres by the Government of France.  In addition to his Juilliard roles, he is devoted to supporting young musicians and has worked with students at the festivals of Aspen, Tanglewood, Lucerne, at the Paris Conservatoire, Music Academy of the West, the National Orchestra Institute, and Pacific Music Festival.  In 2014, he led the Coast to Coast US tour of Carnegie Hall’s National Youth Orchestra of the USA.

Born in Santa Monica, California, David Robertson was educated at London’s Royal Academy of Music, where he studied horn and composition before turning to orchestral conducting.  He is married to pianist Orli Shaham, and lives in New York.